@mellen : This summer, I spent some time hanging out with Chuck Miller up in New Boston, MI...he is a neighbor of my BIL. He is an icon in the custom car world. He designed and built the Red Baron back in the '60's........and many more.............still has a hand in customs.........anything on wheels. Sorry didnt have the flash on.............I was impressed by him being humble and down to earth guy. MAN he has a great shop, museum on his farmette....glad he showed us around.