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Baltimore's Key Bridge collapses after being hit by ship; crews

Baltimore's Key Bridge collapses after being hit by ship; crews

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by: Chiza Active Indicator LED Icon 8 OP 
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 3:10pm  
Baltimore's Key Bridge collapses after being hit by ship; crews search for survivors....
 
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This is devastating...Prayers for all.
 
This incident represents the most severe US bridge collision since the Tampa Skyway Bridge disaster in 1980. (I used to live right by the Skyway Bridge)
 
I'm not going to speculate, but what I do know....is the ship lost power multiple times. There were likely "Pilots" onboard....but without power, maneuverability is extremely limited, if there at all.
 
Here is the article...
 
gcaptain.com/ship-lo st-control-before-hi tting-baltimore-brid ge/?fbclid=IwAR
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Wiseowl Active Indicator LED Icon 7
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 3:23pm  
@Chiza : I suspected it was a power thing since I knew pilots would be insuring that they missed the bridge supports otherwise. Thanks for sharing the link.
I've driven over that bridge many times, including in the dark. Drivers would not have a chance to react or even stop the way that metal twisted. I am a retired structural engineer. I didn't design bridges except in school, but there are so many safeguards built in. I guess the design catastrophic event should have been hitting the support pier with a huge cargo ship. Probably wasn't designed for that. May not have even had container ships that big when bridge was designed. A lot of attention on bridge design is on underwater support, wind, loading on the bridge, vibration and oscillation.
I'm glad the containers didn't slide off into the water. Who knows what's in all those!
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cbear Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 3:29pm  
Baltimore's Key Bridge collapses after being hit by ship; crews search for survivors.... This is devastating...Prayers for all. This incident represents the most severe US bridge collision since the Tampa Skyway Bridge disaster in 1980. (I used to live right by the Skyway Bridge) I'm not going to speculate, but what I do know....is the ship lost power multiple times. There were likely "Pilots" onboard....but without power, maneuverability is extremely limited, if there at all. Here is the article... gcaptain.com/ship-lo st-control-before-hi tting-baltimore-brid ge/?fbclid=IwAR
 
@Chiza : This is huge and terrifying.
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TexasTideFan Active Indicator LED Icon 5
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 3:46pm  
And you think that you are having a bad day till you see this and think damn I'm glad I wasn't the Capt of this vessel but from what I heard, the vessel lost power till right at the last second and then went into full Reverse and tried dropping all anchors but at 9 knots and that size, this accident was unavoidable.
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Chiza Active Indicator LED Icon 8 OP 
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:02pm  
And you think that you are having a bad day till you see this and think damn I'm glad I wasn't the Capt of this vessel but from what I heard, the vessel lost power till right at the last second and then went into full Reverse and tried dropping all anchors but at 9 knots and that size, this accident was unavoidable.
 
There's going to be so much speculation out there for a while @TexasTideFan....as someone that works in the industry and on the vessels....I know to wait until the USCG investigation report comes out to "pass" the blame. There are so many factors most will never understand. My heart breaks for the loss of life...and I pray for those involved.
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Chiza Active Indicator LED Icon 8 OP 
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:07pm  
Chiza : I suspected it was a power thing since I knew pilots would be insuring that they missed the bridge supports otherwise. Thanks for sharing the link. I've driven over that bridge many times, including in the dark. Drivers would not have a chance to react or even stop the way that metal twisted. I am a retired structural engineer. I didn't design bridges except in school, but there are so many safeguards built in. I guess the design catastrophic event should have been hitting the support pier with a huge cargo ship. Probably wasn't designed for that. May not have even had container ships that big when bridge was designed. A lot of attention on bridge design is on underwater support, wind, loading on the bridge, vibration and oscillation. I'm glad the containers didn't slide off into the water. Who knows what's in all those!
 
Very interesting way to look at things too @Wiseowl....you really wonder if they did take vessel traffic into consideration when building the bridges over massive waterways. It's heartbreaking nonetheless. I'm glad the containers didn't break off too....and it doesn't appear to have breached the hull either. As someone that has had close calls with things on the water...nothing like this...it's a whole different ball game. Praying for all those involved.
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Chiza Active Indicator LED Icon 8 OP 
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:07pm  
Chiza : This is huge and terrifying.
 
It really is @cbear...
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olemiss1968 Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:11pm  
Very interesting way to look at things too Wiseowl....you really wonder if they did take vessel traffic into consideration when building the bridges over massive waterways. It's heartbreaking nonetheless. I'm glad the containers didn't break off too....and it doesn't appear to have breached the hull either. As someone that has had close calls with things on the water...nothing like this...it's a whole different ball game. Praying for all those involved.
 
@Chiza : It will be more difficult unless we can dredge these channels more in order to accommodate these new larger vessels. We now have the new Panamax vessels with even larger capacity than that Maersk vessel.
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Chiza Active Indicator LED Icon 8 OP 
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:14pm  
Chiza : It will be more difficult unless we can dredge these channels more in order to accommodate these new larger vessels. We now have the new Panamax vessels with even larger capacity than that Maersk vessel.
 
They are already dredging for them in our major ports @olemiss1968....Houston is doing it now. Hence the new "ship channel bridge" or as we call it "$2 bridge"....but yes, you are right. There are only 2-3 bridges (depending how far up you go) on the HSC you have to navigate...other areas are much different.
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olemiss1968 Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:21pm  
They are already dredging for them in our major ports olemiss1968....Houston is doing it now. Hence the new "ship channel bridge" or as we call it "$2 bridge"....but yes, you are right. There are only 2-3 bridges (depending how far up you go) on the HSC you have to navigate...other areas are much different.
 
@Chiza : Absolutely right. My concern would be with the Port of New Orleans. Our vessels at times have to bypass the port based on the draft restrictions. This was not the case in Baltimore but many people don't realize the details involved and the fact that the Port of Houston is one of the largest in the U.S. and vital to our economy.
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~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:30pm  
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billcherie2 Active Indicator LED Icon 7
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:44pm  
I'm glad it doesn't appear to be a terrorist issue so far. I'm sure there's a manifest or consist of what's in those containers and where they are located on the ship.
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Chiza Active Indicator LED Icon 8 OP 
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 4:47pm  
Chiza : Absolutely right. My concern would be with the Port of New Orleans. Our vessels at times have to bypass the port based on the draft restrictions. This was not the case in Baltimore but many people don't realize the details involved and the fact that the Port of Houston is one of the largest in the U.S. and vital to our economy.
 
It is a major heartbeat of our economy @olemiss1968. Port of New Orleans is a bit different with dredging bc of the river and the natural flow. Not that it can't be done....but because of how the river flows. But I understand completely draft restrictions. All of it is so fascinating to me...just wish we could always be safe and catastrophes like this wouldn't happen. 😞
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TexasTideFan Active Indicator LED Icon 5
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 6:19pm  
just wish we could always be safe and catastrophes like this wouldn't happen. 😞
 
@Chiza : So as a Capt of the tug you operate, what is the protocol when you lose power? It is clearly evident that this vessel lost power twice before it hit the bridge.
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~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 6:22pm  
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elguapo Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 10 mos ago   Mar 26, '24 6:23pm  
@TexasTideFan :
 
Get on CH16 and call for help.
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